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hello

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and welcome to episode number 22 of the

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point of convergence podcast

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as always i am your host exo academian

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when ufo enthusiasts think back to the

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origins

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of the modern ufo phenomenon the decade

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of the 1940s

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certainly stands out of course this was

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the decade that saw the roswell event

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reportedly happen

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when a craft apparently piloted by

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beings who were decidedly non-human

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crashed into the desert of new mexico

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rumors of crass retrievals attempts at

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reverse engineered technologies

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and the recovery of alien bodies of

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course swirl around the historical

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account

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of this famous event an event now seared

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into the collective memory

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of our entire culture the 1940s also

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birthed the first mention of the term

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flying saucer

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when private pilot kenneth arnold

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reportedly saw

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shiny unidentified flying objects flying

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past mount rainier

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at remarkable velocity this sighting

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created an uproar in the media

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and in american popular culture and

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arnold's description of these ufos

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subsequently led the press to coin the

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flying saucer and flying disc as popular

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descriptors

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according to a new book by ufology

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legend jacques vallet

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and his co-author paola harris

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the popular historical record as it

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pertains to the ufo phenomenon

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is missing a major milestone from that

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remarkable decade

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here they refer to an event that

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predates both of the aforementioned

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famous occurrences

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in 1945 two years previous to roswell

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there was another crash in the desert of

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and this event had witnesses witnesses

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still alive today

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witnesses that were interviewed at

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length by both valet and harris

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and in addition to extensive interviews

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with the living witnesses of that

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remarkable event

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valet and harris spent much time in the

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very location of the reported crash

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examining the land and circumstances

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that surround the event

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of course that particular location is

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famous for more than the crash of a

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sophisticated craft

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piloted by non-human beings it is also

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the very same location of the detonation

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of the very first atomic bomb and as if

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that coincidence

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doesn't already grab your attention the

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two events happened within weeks of each

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other

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these historical details to valet and

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harris

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are too striking to be explained away as

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mere coincidence

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no in fact the authors postulate that

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there is a profound

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meaning needing to be dusted off and

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along with the artifacts of the event

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itself

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and jacques-vallee and paula harris go

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openly questioning the idea that this

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was an accident at all

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to them it has all the hallmarks of a

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staged event

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one that was meant to send a clear

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message to humankind

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at the very dawn of the atomic age a

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dark era that erupted onto the canvas of

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human history

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with the light of a thousand suns as the

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was this a warning an attempt at the

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opening of a dialogue

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or something else many profound

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arise as one learns about the details of

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this remarkable event

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an event that involved not just an

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apparently alien vehicle

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piloted by potentially off-world

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visitors

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but telepathic communication between

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these others

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and the witnesses that valet and harris

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interviewed

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even communication offering glimpses

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into the future of our civilization

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including some events that have already

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come to pass in the time

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since the stellar dedicated

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investigatory work

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done by valet and harris is catalogued

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in their excellent

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thorough and highly readable new book

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trinity

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the best kept secret this book offers

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they suggest evidence that rewrites the

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modern history of ufology

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and it shines light on an event that

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raises profound

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questions as to the intentions of these

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who have been interacting with us in

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equally profound

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yet mysterious ways ever since

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a discussion around these

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thought-provoking questions that stem

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from that remarkably and

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uncannily timed event in 1945

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are the topic of this the 22nd episode

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as we begin this week's episode i'd just

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like to share how excited i was when i

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learned there was a new book coming up

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by jacques vallet of course jacques

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valet is the gold standard from

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many people's point of view including

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mine when it comes to research

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into the ufo phenomenon not only has he

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been at it longer than almost anyone

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since the 1960s indeed but he's been the

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champion

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of new ways of thinking of new paradigms

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new hypotheses

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that have been cutting edge in this

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of course i was partly excited by the

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material of this book

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i knew it was going to include crash

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discussion and perhaps the study of

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exotic materials

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even at the microscopic level but

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overall whenever jacques valet has a new

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book coming out

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pertaining to the ufo phenomenon it's

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now jacques fillet's co-author paola

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became involved in this case even before

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she had been investigating this case for

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years in fact and had already conducted

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excellent interviews with the witnesses

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so that raises the question how did

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jacques valet get involved in this

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how did that begin quoting from their

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book

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trinity quote if my friend

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ron brinkley hadn't insisted on buying

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me a drink at the legendary owl bar

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and cafe in san antonio new mexico i

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would never have become absorbed

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in the complex drama of trinity and in

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the forgotten records about the first

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in modern history you need to see this

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place ron said as we were sliding into a

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booth

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past dozens of old pictures on the walls

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memorabilia from world war

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ii bits of letters and many dollar bills

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stapled to the plaster

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fluttering in the air every time someone

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this is where it all started he went on

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forget everything you've heard about the

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roswell crash it's a very significant

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story obviously

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but it came two years later there are

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many conflicting tales about it

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but no tangible evidence remains and

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nobody was there to watch it fall

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as for the kenneth arnold sighting which

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led to the term flying saucer

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important but only in terms of what the

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or not told yes but the journalists

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loved it i said people could relate to

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ron replied but in the process everybody

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had missed the most significant case

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it had quietly taken place here

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precisely one month after the first

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nuclear explosion in history as if in

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direct response to it

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nobody spoke about it for many years it

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happened just a few miles from this

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that's where we've got to start unquote

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one of the aspects of this book that

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makes it so compelling and so readable

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is not just the detailed analysis of the

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crash itself

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but also the discussion of the entire

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of the culture surrounding the trinity

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site the families that lived in that

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sparsely populated area

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etc and now i'd like to quote from a

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section of the book where we set that

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quote living so close to ground zero the

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families of jose

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and remy would soon experience a sudden

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change in their world

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and the two boys would be the first

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witnesses to the extraordinary event

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that marks the true beginning of the ufo

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era in the united states

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still unexplained today in spite of its

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obvious repercussions

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in the current debates to the army the

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event would just be one more local

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the destruction of a radio tower and to

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recover a strange craft

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fallen from the sky during a

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thunderstorm the young soldiers

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in the unit barely realized where they

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were the history of the place or the

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long traditions of the people who

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actually lived there

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nor did they care they came in with a

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jeep and a big truck

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did what they were told to do and went

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back to white sands a few days later

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to us however analyzing the events in

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the light of 75 years of accumulated

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what the two boys experienced at that

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special location

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needs to be brought to light and

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analyzed in the full context of american

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technology and culture at the critical

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of the end of the second world war

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as i already mentioned what partly makes

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this book so compelling

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is the description of the characters

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involved specifically the two boys who

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were the chief witnesses to the crash

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and who actually interacted with and saw

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the occupants of the craft

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after it crashed now these two boys

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lived a very interesting life

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a life very different than the lives

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lived by kids today

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they would typically spend most of their

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day roaming

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the land roaming their family's ranch

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which consisted of

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tens of thousands of acres and they

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would basically be out there keeping

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and on this particular day their father

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asking them to keep track of a specific

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cow that was about to have a calf

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and on this day there was a thunderstorm

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and they heard a loud bang and then

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something went down and in the distance

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they saw smoke rising they knew

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something had crashed they thought

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perhaps it was a plane

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and even though these boys were quite

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so these two boys on horseback travel

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some distance

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to arrive at the crash scene and they

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get fairly close

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and what they see is a craft they

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describe as avocado in shape

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and it was metallic in material and

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fairly smooth

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and there was an opening whether that

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was from the accident or something else

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is unclear

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but there was an opening and they could

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see creatures inside that looked

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decidedly

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non-human and so now we pick up in a

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portion of the book

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where they describe what the creatures

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looked like

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quote what happened to the creatures the

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two boys had seen

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after the crash what did they look like

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were they human

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and if they were not human what could we

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learn about them

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paola moved the discussion back to the

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beginning the very first

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afternoon during this storm when the

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object plowed into the hillside and came

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to rest

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with a big open gash and several

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creatures in obvious distress

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inside the damaged craft paula asks

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did you ever both when you were

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discussing as kids did you ever discuss

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the beings

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remy says yes their heads were

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comparable to a kampamoka

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that's what we saw paula says what do

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you mean you saw them and they look like

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a bug

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remy says yes they were ugly to us at

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first their heads look like a kampamoka

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paula says would you say it in english

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remy says the closest translation would

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be like

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heck a bug a praying mantis unquote

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now when i read this account regarding

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the appearance of these others

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i was taken aback not because it's new

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because of course we find these praying

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mantis type figures

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referred to time and time again i don't

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know how many

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times we've already discussed them on

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the various episodes of the point of

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convergence podcast

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but here we have the very first event in

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modern ufo history

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1945 right at the beginning

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and we see an event that involves these

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praying mantis beings

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and interestingly they hint at it here

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and it's discussed elsewhere in the book

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these beings didn't really walk as if

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their feet were touching the ground it's

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more like they glided back and forth

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and the boys describe it as they just

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wheeled themselves from one place to

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another

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and as the book described and as we just

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touched on they were in some distress

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the scene at least what the boys were

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intended to see

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was apparently involving creatures who

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were in distress because they had just

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crashed a craft

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they even let out a high-pitched wine

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that the boys perceived as a kind of

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crying almost like an

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infant crying

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now as i mentioned in the introduction

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this interaction

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also involved telepathic communication

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and of course this is

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also very common in the ufo phenomenon

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literature

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and i want to quote again from the book

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where this is discussed

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quote remy confirms to paula that the

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situation was emotional

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but something else then comes into his

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recollection something

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more than the realization that they've

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just watched an airplane crash

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he says then we saw these pictures in

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our heads

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he says surprised she asked him to

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repeat that statement

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and he confirms there were pictures

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adding i don't know what the heck they

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were

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pictures

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but i don't know what they meant then

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and i still don't know

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they must have known we were there this

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statement is

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important because it marks the first

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instance of a kind of interaction

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between the phenomenon and its witnesses

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that may

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be fundamental to our eventual

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understanding of the ufo problem in

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general

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witnesses are an integral part of the

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event unquote

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so there was a lot discussed there so

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let's break it down a little bit

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let me paint the picture a little

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clearer so the boys were looking

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from some distance but not too far away

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and they could see these creatures

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moving back and forth

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at no point did the creatures actually

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turn and look at them directly from what

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they recall

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and yet pictures suddenly appeared in

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their head that didn't come from their

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own imagination or from their memory

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just spontaneously these images started

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coming into their heads

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and that's what makes remy conclude they

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must have known we were there

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because these messages were being sent

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it was either being sent from these

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creatures or someone else

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in the vicinity but clearly these images

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these thoughts that came into their head

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telepathically were coming from

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somewhere

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and what's truly fascinating it's only

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just touched on in the book

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but paula harris has discussed it in

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more detail in some other podcasts

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one of the images they saw was of human

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beings falling from tall buildings

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and of course when you read this you

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immediately think of 911

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and people jumping from the two towers

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was this what they saw in 1945

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one really wonders which raises all

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sorts of interesting questions

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of where these creatures come from and

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it's also important to note that here

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valet states how important it is

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that we pay attention to witnesses how

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central their

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testimony is in order for us to

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reconstruct the events

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and understand the underlying meaning of

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the ufo phenomenon

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now this is key and valet returns to

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this point

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time and time again in his writing he

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believes the

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main purpose of these events these

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sightings and these interactions with

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apparently non-human intelligence

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is primarily psychical that it's meant

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to

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play a role in shaping our consciousness

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and that's why he pays so much attention

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to it here

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and he makes note of this very first

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case where we have telepathic

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communication

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now these boys were very curious and

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they didn't just see the crashed craft

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one time no they went back several times

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one time they went back even after the

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military had shown up and were preparing

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to haul away the debris and on an

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evening when the military personnel had

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already gone to the owl

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for drinks and whatnot the boys snuck

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into the site

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and actually went aboard the craft and

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they took some debris

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back with them and they buried it in a

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barn

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on their property and then we come to a

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very interesting

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fascinating incident that involves the

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sheep herder

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who had an experience with these others

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so let's set the scene here the boys

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come back to the property of the ranch

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and they bury this debris which they

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consider treasure or

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tesoro that's what they keep calling it

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and they buried underneath a residence

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on the property

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where sometimes different workers would

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live within and underneath this

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residence was a gap between the ground

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floor and the actual ground

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that was left open in case of flooding

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so the boys buried this

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treasure quote unquote underneath this

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residence

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and there was a sheep herder staying in

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that very residence

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and this leads to an experience where

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the sheepherder is woken up in the

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middle of the night

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by strange beings and he has a

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telepathic interaction with them

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basically the way it goes the

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sheepherder comes and knocks on the door

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the next morning

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says he needs to speak to the father

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and he says alejandro you know i'm going

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to have to leave this place

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why the father asks well he says you

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know last night i was asleep and i got

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woke up

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i saw this light out there by the well

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there was this light out there and i

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and here remy hesitates the book says

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because he was emotional

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paula says okay he saw a light by the

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well remy says

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by the well and he says i looked out the

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window and the next thing there's these

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three critters

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in my room and the doors locked

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and so he points towards the floor and

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they're saying to sorrow

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paula oh no you never told me this part

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of the story this is incredible oh my

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lord

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remy says and so they're pointing there

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and so he says to sorrow there's a

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treasure down there

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and so these guys are doing that pedro

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says i got my rifle and i'm going to

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shoot them because they have no business

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in my house

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and so i got my rifle and they're gone

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but you know what they went right

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through the wall

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now this is such a fascinating account

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such a incredible part of the book

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to describe again what happens the boys

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bury this treasure to sorrow underneath

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this residence

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in the middle of the night this poor

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sheepherder who's staying in this

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residence

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sees a light outside the next thing he

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knows there's three critters again these

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insect-like beings these praying

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mantis-like beings

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are inside the residence even though the

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door is locked he doesn't know how they

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got in there

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and they keep referring to

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telepathically it's assumed

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this tesoro they're pointing underneath

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the residence he doesn't know what

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they're talking about

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of course this is referring to what the

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boys had buried there

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and even what they called it so these

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creatures knew

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what the boys were thinking and saying

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00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:00,960
on the property

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and this sheep herder goes to get his

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rifle to shoot at these creatures

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and they go right through the wall and

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are gone

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now you have a sense of the general

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outline of events you know about the

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boys witnessing this

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initial crash you know about these boys

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00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:22,799
having telepathic communications

578
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with these creatures involving visions

579
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of future events

580
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even events that seemingly have come to

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pass since then

582
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and you know about later occurrences

583
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involving communication

584
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and appearances involving these

585
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creatures inside

586
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the barn residence with this sheep

587
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herder

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now i'd like to move to a section of the

589
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book where valet and harris begin to

590
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draw some tentative conclusions

591
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:49,360
and ask some provocative questions and

592
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they don't just discuss

593
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this case they also draw parallels with

594
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the roswell case

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as well as the lani zamora case from

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socorro new mexico

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and they make note that the craft looked

598
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quite similar between

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the lani zamora case and what was

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witnessed at trinity

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and this is what the book says quote

602
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the few scientists who doggedly followed

603
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the reports

604
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interviewed witnesses and compiled

605
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serious files

606
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could only look at each other shake

607
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,880
their heads and ask

608
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,880
if you were smart enough to come here

609
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from alpha centauri

610
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why would you crash on that guy's farm

611
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:28,000
i still don't have a good answer to that

612
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one but what if you didn't come from

613
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:31,520
alpha centauri

614
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at all what if your spacecraft was

615
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:35,919
designed to crash

616
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:39,120
what if it was a gift or a signal or a

617
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:40,320
warning

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the hopeful inception of a strategic

619
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:45,919
what if it wasn't a spacecraft quote

620
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:47,360
unquote in our current

621
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:49,679
primitive sense of the word what if you

622
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:52,240
didn't care if the occupants died

623
00:21:56,830 --> 00:21:54,559
nobody had seriously considered those

624
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:56,840
alternatives

625
00:22:01,510 --> 00:21:59,200
unquote

626
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as i mentioned in the introduction valet

627
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:02,400
and harris go

628
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:05,200
out of their way to point to the uncanny

629
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:05,919
timing

630
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,960
and location of this event this event

631
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:10,320
that saw the first

632
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:13,520
ever interaction with a ufo and its

633
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occupants

634
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:17,200
in the modern era this happened at the

635
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very location and at the very same time

636
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:20,320
period

637
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:23,120
that humankind detonated its first

638
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:23,919
atomic

639
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:27,520
weapon and this is what valet and harris

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00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:30,559
say to frame this event quote on

641
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:34,320
august 15 1945 the emperor of japan

642
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:37,600
broken humiliated and confused issued an

643
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:39,760
imperial rescript of surrender

644
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,760
accepting the terms of the pos dam

645
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:43,039
declaration

646
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,080
and on september 2nd 1945 his

647
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:48,400
envoy signed the instrument of surrender

648
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:51,760
on the flight deck of the uss missouri

649
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:53,679
and two days after the emperor's

650
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:54,960
surrender just

651
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:57,200
one month after the awesome atomic test

652
00:23:01,110 --> 00:22:58,799
by robert oppenheimer

653
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:01,120
and rico fermi and their star team of

654
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:02,240
physicists

655
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:04,960
a weird object came out of nowhere

656
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:06,080
circled in the sky

657
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,400
over the mesquite-infested hills only

658
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:10,640
some 10 miles north of trinity

659
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:13,760
and crashed on a new mexico ranch as if

660
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,159
to

661
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:16,480
underline the enormity of what had taken

662
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:17,440
place

663
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:20,080
or to acknowledge it or to offer a

664
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:21,120
warning perhaps

665
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:22,880
a sign that somebody else had been

666
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:24,159
watching

667
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:27,360
or even in my own speculation to open a

668
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:29,360
parallel historical and strategic

669
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:32,159
path one that superseded even the taming

670
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:34,159
of the atomic force

671
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:37,120
is that why a few years later canadian

672
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:37,760
government

673
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:40,320
scientist wilbert smith of project

674
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,120
magnet

675
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:43,679
would be quietly briefed on u.s research

676
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:44,880
on ufos

677
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:47,600
and told it was classified quote higher

678
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:49,520
than the atomic weapon

679
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:55,269
now one thing that really sets valet

680
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:57,679
apart from other ufo researchers

681
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,039
is that he doesn't accept simple answers

682
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:03,679
he asks deeper questions and most

683
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,679
importantly he pays attention to

684
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:07,760
all the data even when it seems

685
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:08,960
contradictory

686
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:10,799
and he assumes when he sees that there

687
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,640
must be some deeper meaning

688
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,400
one that is perhaps different than what

689
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:16,240
we see and understand

690
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,880
at the surface level clearly the

691
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:20,320
phenomenon defies

692
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:22,880
simple analysis according to valet and

693
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:24,159
harris

694
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:26,159
this is something else they postulate

695
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:27,440
about in the book

696
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:30,400
quote to us it seems that the phenomenon

697
00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:32,480
and in particular the three detailed

698
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,720
cases we have reviewed here

699
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:36,480
functions with reference to a more

700
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:38,240
complex strategy

701
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:40,559
it displays just enough to intrigue the

702
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:41,360
witnesses

703
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:43,760
and the society around them and it uses

704
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,480
imagery

705
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:46,799
recognizable to us but it is

706
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:48,400
sufficiently flexible

707
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:51,279
in time and in space to defeat simple

708
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:52,559
analysis

709
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:55,120
if that is true then it's unlikely that

710
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:55,760
we will learn

711
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:58,400
anything really useful or operational

712
00:25:01,269 --> 00:25:00,400
about the phenomenon as long as our

713
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:01,279
studies

714
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:04,240
overt or secret only concern themselves

715
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:05,840
with the overt technology

716
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:08,799
on the scene as staged for our benefit

717
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:14,310
unquote

718
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:16,480
now on previous episodes of the point of

719
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:17,760
convergence podcast

720
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:20,720
i've talked about various scenarios that

721
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:22,559
await us in our future

722
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:24,799
scenarios that are potentially dangerous

723
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:25,679
and are even

724
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:28,720
potentially civilization ending events

725
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:31,120
one of these i've discussed is the

726
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:32,960
singularity the technological

727
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:33,760
singularity

728
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:36,720
that is fast approaching i've described

729
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:39,200
it like a tsunami that is coming at us

730
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:41,679
that most people aren't even aware of it

731
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:43,360
is going to happen likely within our

732
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:45,679
lifetimes within the next few decades

733
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:47,360
it's going to be a convergence of

734
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,799
various technologies

735
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,880
that will create a very unique point in

736
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,640
history that we will either

737
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:54,960
evolve from and come out on the other

738
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:57,200
side or perhaps collapse under the

739
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:57,600
weight

740
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:00,640
of our own gap between technology

741
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:04,000
and consciousness and valley and harris

742
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:07,039
also touched on this in the book and i

743
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:08,159
quote

744
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,320
we believe the phenomenon is not trying

745
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:12,159
to teach us physics or advanced

746
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,120
propulsion

747
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,880
although most researchers will keep

748
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:16,320
trying to extract such

749
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:19,600
data or turn it into new weapons

750
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,080
instead we believe it is trying to teach

751
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:24,720
us to transcend our own humanity

752
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:27,600
or perish in a toxic mental cloud of our

753
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:28,559
own making

754
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:31,279
when our civilization reaches its point

755
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:32,799
of singularity

756
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:36,799
unquote and now i'd like to offer a

757
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:39,919
final thought for your consideration

758
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:42,400
what many researchers politicians and

759
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:43,840
members of the general public

760
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:46,080
seem to miss in regards to the likely

761
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:47,120
intentions

762
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:49,360
behind the visitation and subtle

763
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:51,200
intervention of a more advanced

764
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,400
technological

765
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:54,960
and moral intelligence is that they are

766
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,240
likely here

767
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:58,799
not to study us like we do with lesser

768
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:59,520
species

769
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,600
at our level of consciousness embedded

770
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:03,840
within the supposedly objective period

771
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:06,880
of materialistic science but rather in

772
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,000
hopes of enabling

773
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:10,720
our evolution which of course begins

774
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:12,960
with assuring our survival

775
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,799
and if they can see into our own

776
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,480
civilization's future

777
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,559
as evidence from this trinity case and

778
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,640
many others suggest

779
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:22,399
perhaps they are involved in order to

780
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:23,679
help us avoid

781
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,480
one particularly dark timeline that may

782
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:28,640
exist in our future

783
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:32,080
based on our present trajectory in fact

784
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:33,679
perhaps they have determined that

785
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:35,360
without such intervention

786
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:38,080
we are almost certainly headed towards a

787
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:39,679
catastrophic future

788
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:42,320
that they may have already witnessed and

789
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:44,320
of course if that's the case

790
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:46,159
then we would do well to heed their

791
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:48,240
warning with open eyes

792
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,830
and on that note we've come to the close

793
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:56,960
of another edition

794
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:59,760
of the point of convergence podcast as

795
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,399
always

796
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:02,880
let's keep this conversation going and

797
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:03,760
growing

798
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:06,080
this past week we moved past 500

799
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:07,679
subscribers on youtube

800
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:10,320
and many more on various podcast

801
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:11,039
networks

802
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:13,039
that's a great sign let's keep this

803
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,880
conversation moving forward thank you

804
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:17,279
for sharing this with others

805
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:19,360
but until next time friends from deep

806
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:20,799
within the blue ridge mountains